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	<title>Comments on: The Great Veggie Burger Challenge: Round 1</title>
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		<title>By: Hands-Free Cooking &#183; The veggie burger challenge is back</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hands-Free Cooking &#183; The veggie burger challenge is back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 14:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it worked, sort of; I followed the method from the originals, and at the end, slowly worked in gluten flour until the batter got a little solidity to it.  It [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doctor Hrothgar&#8217;s Word Hoard &#187; Bloggings about Building a Better Bovine-Bereft Burger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Hrothgar&#8217;s Word Hoard &#187; Bloggings about Building a Better Bovine-Bereft Burger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] taken up the gauntlet, I&#8217;ll do my best to make a meaningful burger, minus the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
		<link>http://handsfreecooking.net/blog/2008/06/the-great-veggie-burger-challenge-round-1/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan&#039;s right: I forgot the cilantro!  I added it at the very end, and it was a nice complement to the nutty quinoa.

David: The searing is key, you&#039;re right.  I had hoped to do that with the quinoa, but it&#039;s not quite that sort of thing.  I think the quality of the heat is almost as important as the ingredients; you need to cook it hot enough to sear the outside before the inside cooks.  My little fire last night didn&#039;t do that.

I think one difference between seitan and ground beef is that ground beef has an inherent crumbly quality that seitan lacks - you can cut seitan, but you can&#039;t pull it apart or shape it very well.  (This may be the one case where seitan is not the universal meat-substitute.)  Tofu might be closer to the mark, maybe, if you had something to bind it together?  These are things to ponder.  I hope you&#039;ll come and help me test some of these!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan&#8217;s right: I forgot the cilantro!  I added it at the very end, and it was a nice complement to the nutty quinoa.</p>
<p>David: The searing is key, you&#8217;re right.  I had hoped to do that with the quinoa, but it&#8217;s not quite that sort of thing.  I think the quality of the heat is almost as important as the ingredients; you need to cook it hot enough to sear the outside before the inside cooks.  My little fire last night didn&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>I think one difference between seitan and ground beef is that ground beef has an inherent crumbly quality that seitan lacks &#8211; you can cut seitan, but you can&#8217;t pull it apart or shape it very well.  (This may be the one case where seitan is not the universal meat-substitute.)  Tofu might be closer to the mark, maybe, if you had something to bind it together?  These are things to ponder.  I hope you&#8217;ll come and help me test some of these!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me that hamburger meat, being long stretched strands of protein that are then ground up and pressed, has a very different consistency than mashed beans and grains -- I wonder what sort of texture you&#039;d get if you put seitan (which is also stretched protein) through a meat grinder?

My second thought is that you want something that doesn&#039;t just scorch or become dry when exposed to heat, you want it to sear and tighten and toughen, and also exude juices. 

The former might be achieved through eggs or gluten (or flax?), the other makes me think there needs to be some way to trap fat or oil or broth or juice inside the burger, like vacuoles. 

Olive oil? Solid-at-room-temperature fat, like butter or shortening? Grapes? Seedless pomegranates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that hamburger meat, being long stretched strands of protein that are then ground up and pressed, has a very different consistency than mashed beans and grains &#8212; I wonder what sort of texture you&#8217;d get if you put seitan (which is also stretched protein) through a meat grinder?</p>
<p>My second thought is that you want something that doesn&#8217;t just scorch or become dry when exposed to heat, you want it to sear and tighten and toughen, and also exude juices. </p>
<p>The former might be achieved through eggs or gluten (or flax?), the other makes me think there needs to be some way to trap fat or oil or broth or juice inside the burger, like vacuoles. </p>
<p>Olive oil? Solid-at-room-temperature fat, like butter or shortening? Grapes? Seedless pomegranates?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot the cilantro!  The fresh cilantro in the burgers really added an extra zing.</description>
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